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Wednesday, October 22nd 2003, 12:40pm

Re: OOo for me

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I really like KWord. It looks nicer than OOo, loads faster and works better. Most of the time. The only problem is that on my machine KWord keeps crashing whereas OOo is solid as a rock. (And as heavy as one too). And KWord won't save in MS Word format and doesn't open them very well.

So unfortunately, as I have to work on other people's MS documents, I'm stuck with OOo at the moment, because I have no viable alterative.


You can save in Rich Text Format. (Good, KWord 1.3's RTF export filter is much better than the one of KWord 1.2.)

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Saturday, November 8th 2003, 8:56pm

Although I think OOffice is difficult to use I also think it is better that KOffice because it has more functions. Neverthelhess ins't this whole thread stealing motivation from any KOffice developer that reads this?

KOffice is the official office system fo KDE so when it matches the expectations of most of the user it will be the best. Meanwhile what about contributions from everyone. That will only make the whole office become better...

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Friday, November 14th 2003, 6:51pm

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Neverthelhess ins't this whole thread stealing motivation from any KOffice developer that reads this?


Well, it is certainely not easy to be a KOffice developer. :?

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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 3:09pm

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Neverthelhess ins't this whole thread stealing motivation from any KOffice developer that reads this?


Well, it is certainely not easy to be a KOffice developer. :?


You and the other KOffice developers do a great job, not only with KOffice itself, but also by your contributions to KDE's base.

KOffice is most likely the biggest project building on the KDE libraries and I, as I read a lot of KDE mailing lists, have seen a lot of suggestions and improvements inspired and/or developed by KOffice developers enchance the KDE API for the advantage of any other developer working on KDE.

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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 8:29pm

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Neverthelhess ins't this whole thread stealing motivation from any KOffice developer that reads this?


Well, it is certainely not easy to be a KOffice developer. :?


You and the other KOffice developers do a great job, not only with KOffice itself, but also by your contributions to KDE's base.


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KOffice is most likely the biggest project building on the KDE libraries and I, as I read a lot of KDE mailing lists, have seen a lot of suggestions and improvements inspired and/or developed by KOffice developers enchance the KDE API for the advantage of any other developer working on KDE.

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Well, many KOffice developers, especially the professional ones, are not only working on KOffice, but also somewhere else in KDE. (The newest example is KolourPainter in kdenonbeta.)

On the other side, without any professional developer, KOffice would still be at the state of KOffice 1.0. :?

But it is also true that KOffice needs some/more services out of Qt or KDE and therefore brings them forward. (One example could be KZip.)

There are also counter-examples where it does not work, unfortunately, for example KHTML and KWord's HTML import filter. :(

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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 9:31pm

At the moment, Im using Koffice for the one reason that I get a fatal OO Application Error when i launch the program. I am running Mandrake 9.1. If anybody has a solution to this i would be much appreciative, since i have to print to pdf everytime i need to show a MS user a document...

When will koffice have support for MS filters?

I think i might be getting StarOffice 7 v soon... :D
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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 9:34pm

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Have a nice day!


Dont you get tired of saying this after everysingle one of your posts? :D Im getting rather tired of reading it too hehehe.... :D

And what if it is not day? There are timezone differences you know :D
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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 9:40pm

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Have a nice day!


Dont you get tired of saying this after everysingle one of your posts? :D Im getting rather tired of reading it too hehehe.... :D

And what if it is not day? There are timezone differences you know :D


Well, my previous version was day/evening/night! Until someone said that I was like the "Truman Show". (One time was enough, especially that I do not like much that film.)

Have a nice day! (Well make it ^U)

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Saturday, November 15th 2003, 11:02pm

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When will koffice have support for MS filters?


I think it always had.
IIRC early versions where written from scratch by Shaheed Hague.

Then KOffice filter guys got in touch with AbiWord filter types and it was more or less agreed to develop a new version of the wvware library (use by AbiWord) in cooperation.
Unforuntaly the wvware guys seem to stick to their old version and most (almost all?) work on the new version is done by Werner alone.

I think the plan is to base KOffice's MS filters on this new lib, if it isn't already done yet (Nicolas has sure more insight in the current state :) )

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Sunday, November 16th 2003, 12:11am

The MS Office - KOffice filters! :roll:

It is a rather difficult problem, especially on two points:
- documentation of the file formats
- people to develop filters.

So KOffice 1.3 will have a few changes there too (new MS Word import filter for example) but I suppose that many people will not consider it to be enough. (For example, the new MS Word import filter cannot import images.)

I have tried to make the RTF import/export filters better (I had some help. A thank from here!) However these too have limitations.

(So, the real improvement for KWord seems to be the PDF import!)

Of course, I would prefer if it would have been much better (as everybody I suppose.)

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Sunday, November 16th 2003, 4:19am

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Well, my previous version was day/evening/night! Until someone said that I was like the "Truman Show".

Hehe. I had made that association, too. :wink:

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Sunday, December 14th 2003, 4:54pm

My experience with Oo.o is that it has very good filter support, but needs a lot of work on the interface and performance (I think in this case there two are closely related. If OO used GTK or QT, I'm sure it would have been twice as responsive and its boot-time would have been cut by half)

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Sunday, December 14th 2003, 8:42pm

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My experience with Oo.o is that it has very good filter support, but needs a lot of work on the interface and performance (I think in this case there two are closely related. If OO used GTK or QT, I'm sure it would have been twice as responsive and its boot-time would have been cut by half)

There's work underway to integrate OOo better into KDE:
http://dot.kde.org/1071245692/
http://kde.openoffice.org/index.html

One project part is (only) about the look of OOo,
but another tries to do a port to Qt.

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Monday, December 15th 2003, 11:36am

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My experience with Oo.o is that it has very good filter support, but needs a lot of work on the interface and performance (I think in this case there two are closely related. If OO used GTK or QT, I'm sure it would have been twice as responsive and its boot-time would have been cut by half)

There's work underway to integrate OOo better into KDE:
http://dot.kde.org/1071245692/
http://kde.openoffice.org/index.html

One project part is (only) about the look of OOo,
but another tries to do a port to Qt.

Nice! And why isn't it possible to adapt and use the filters of OpenOffice in Koffice? Oo.org is OSS right?

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Monday, December 15th 2003, 11:40am

I just recieved my copy of star office 7

its very nice :-)
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Monday, December 15th 2003, 1:41pm

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Original von LB06

My experience with Oo.o is that it has very good filter support, but needs a lot of work on the interface and performance (I think in this case there two are closely related. If OO used GTK or QT, I'm sure it would have been twice as responsive and its boot-time would have been cut by half)

There's work underway to integrate OOo better into KDE:
http://dot.kde.org/1071245692/
http://kde.openoffice.org/index.html

One project part is (only) about the look of OOo,
but another tries to do a port to Qt.

Nice! And why isn't it possible to adapt and use the filters of OpenOffice in Koffice? Oo.org is OSS right?


Being OSS does not negate the old rules of portability (problems).

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Monday, December 15th 2003, 2:50pm

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Original von LB06

My experience with Oo.o is that it has very good filter support, but needs a lot of work on the interface and performance (I think in this case there two are closely related. If OO used GTK or QT, I'm sure it would have been twice as responsive and its boot-time would have been cut by half)

There's work underway to integrate OOo better into KDE:
http://dot.kde.org/1071245692/
http://kde.openoffice.org/index.html

One project part is (only) about the look of OOo,
but another tries to do a port to Qt.

Nice! And why isn't it possible to adapt and use the filters of OpenOffice in Koffice? Oo.org is OSS right?


Being OSS does not negate the old rules of portability (problems).

Have a nice day!

No, but I thought with the source it would be way easier to write approriate filters.

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Tuesday, August 3rd 2004, 11:58pm

Normally I just use Vim ^_^
If I'm doing something with graphics, I tend to use OOo (Karbon is hardly useable at the moment), but for plain text stuff I prefer KWord (it's much faster)

BTW is it just the Debian version, or is the new version of OOo much easier on the eye (it's gone all GNOMEish)
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Thursday, August 5th 2004, 4:02pm

I think that KOffice is great. It makes KDE a complete and independet Desktop with all software areas covered by valueable software. The only thing I miss like everyone else is the Word export filter. Open sourced office applications should work closer together to create / improve a common import / export library ( e.g. wv2 ). Recently I have seen very few changes to that library ( but I took only a quick look ). I wonder why the developers of the big open source office sites do not work together. If the programmers of Abiword, OpenOffice and KOffice would work together they could save a lot of time which could be spent in other important areas...

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Friday, August 6th 2004, 5:57pm

Yes, that's a pity.

When wv2 started, the wv developers said they would participate as AbiWord would also get better with the new filters.
But in the end only the KOffice developers, especially Werner Trobin, were working on it.

No idea why the AbiWord people abandomed the project :?

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