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m4ktub

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Wednesday, September 15th 2004, 5:36pm

KDE FS

Much ink is beeing used on this topic and many projects appeared motivated by the anouncement of WinFS like GNOME Storage or even DBFS that is somehow related to KDE.

So lets continue the discussion here.

I believe that moving away from the "Tree of File and Folders" paradim is the next big thing. It has been said - regarding the new google-like search in future KDEs - that "it is much easier to find files on the Web than on your own computer" and I agree.

Normally, I don't even bother keeping many bookmarks; I just type things like "ggl:kde forum". This happens for many other cases. At some point during work I have downloaded a paper and read a chapter or so. As I had been using konqueror for a while, and had downloaded other files, I saved it in an unusual place for that kind of reading. Two days later I knew I had downloaded the paper but still it was easier to re-download the paper back. And it was not an intant link like "ggl:".
This are just a few examples to show why I feel that WinFS approach very appealing.

How do KDE users fill about this? Who is happy with the "my dog is a file" approach and who is looking foward this new technologies?

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Wednesday, September 15th 2004, 9:46pm

I suppose I am indifferent since I use the command line tool to locate files. It's probably because I've never felt the KDE/Gnome file finder was ever productive or useful. I'd still be interested in seeing and trying new technologies.
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Wednesday, September 15th 2004, 10:10pm

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I suppose I am indifferent since I use the command line tool to locate files. It's probably because I've never felt the KDE/Gnome file finder was ever productive or useful. I'd still be interested in seeing and trying new technologies.
I think indexing of file contents and meta data will be a win. It really takes quite some time to grep my employer's source code repository, for example.

Do you already use any advanced command line search tools? Locate does have an index, but it's only about the file names...

I agree that the current KFind doesn't provide much added value over the command line tools. It does for people who prefer a GUI, though.

Having the advanced KDE search features-to-come also available through command line tools would be nice.

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Wednesday, September 15th 2004, 10:19pm

I use locate. Nothing special about that as you already know.... But I have found it to be better than KFind. Maybe it's just because I'm a creature of habit but I would/am interesting in a new search engine for files.....

I have adapted to the indexing of locate. I can adapt to a new seach engine. =)
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Thursday, September 16th 2004, 6:35am

I have rarely ever used kfind, but nevertheless a google-like search, integrated into the addressbar, exactly like a webshortcut would be awesome. eg: find: seb.pdf would return the file on my pc.

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Thursday, September 16th 2004, 3:08pm

Re: KDE FS

No doubt that everyone is used to the existing tools and use the ones that best suite their needs. No matter if those tools are command-line or if they are some kind of extraterrestial device you plug to your computer.

The problem is I feel that "the best" the current tools provide is becoming insuficient for my needs.

I'm used to the file and folder concepts so I can think in terms of those concepts and create complex structures to help keeping things organized. All musics go under "~/Musics"; every artist has it's own folder; every album has it's own folder; musics have the track number appearing first in the name so that they appear in order; etc.

But do I want to think in all of this? No! I'm just used to it...

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How do KDE users fill about this? Who is happy with the "my dog is a file" approach and who is looking foward this new technologies?

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Thursday, September 16th 2004, 4:24pm

I like the concept really I do, however I don't think KDE (or gnome or any other desktop manager for that matter) is the proper realm to implement it.

To make it effective, it has to be a core element of the operating system not the desktop manager. The OS already performs maintenance on the file structure, and in order for this to work, KDE as well would have to perform mainentance in addition to the OS for every single write action to the drives. That'd result in a slowdown not worth the convenience.

Furthermore, I'm not always using KDE. Sometimes I'm just using a terminal. Another user may use Gnome or IceWM. Files are shared across a network, so another machine may change the contents of my drive. A desktop manager cannot monitor all those situations. Synchronizing your desktop with the file tree would be a process not worth the effort. Nor would the system slowdown from adding redundant maintenance.

Perhaps this could work if it were run as a service, however I still don't think the convenience would be worth the resources. It'd only be worth the tradeoff on a large network. As the quote earlier mentioned "It's much easier to find a file on the web than on your own computer", that is only true because there is a substantial amount of resources utilized to make it possible. Again, this would not fall in the realm of a desktop manager.

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Thursday, September 16th 2004, 6:24pm

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As the quote earlier mentioned "It's much easier to find a file on the web than on your own computer", that is only true because there is a substantial amount of resources utilized to make it possible. Again, this would not fall in the realm of a desktop manager.


I'm not sure if I understand what ou are saying. It's a sucessfull strategy so it gets lot of investiment to improve it furter. And it serves millions of users so lots of resources are needed too. But a 1 desktop 1 user version would need much less and provide much more.

But I agree with you that this to be well implemented should be in the base of the system as Win... said it would do with WinFS. KDE FS was just to get attention; does not mean that I expect as counterpart of Gnome Store.

Its mainly an improvement in the user experience of the desktop so KDE users are as good as any (in fact better ;-))to comment on this improvment.