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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 7:32pm

Where do you want to configure your hardware??? (vote)

Where do you want to configure your hardware??? (in the future)

KDE Controlcenter

My wish for the future version of KDE Controlcenter. Controlling more and more the hardware in the KDE Controlcenter.

Distribution Controlcenter

That's like it is today and I don't like it to have a few Controlcenters. Maybe KDE shouls offer only control modules for Distributions Controlcenters???

Special application

I don't think this is the right way ... only for professionel hardware with options I would use an application but do you want to configure every hardware in a special application?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "OhReally" (Jul 28th 2008, 12:36am)

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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 7:56pm

configure hardware in kde?

i'm not voting at all, because it highly depends on what hardware and how deeply configuring:

the only hardware i think that it's good to manage from a DE is hardware that uses to change settings often (wireless lan or bluetooth or this kind of)

configuring the graphic card or sound (hardware, not arts), is handled by config files in the filesystem, so there is no need to be done by the DE

my 2 cents :-)
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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:00pm

But a Pro-User

But as it sounds to me you are an Pro-User. When a DE brings a graphical tool for an XF86Config file why not??? The new user uses the dialog you the file both will work.

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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:13pm

Re: But a Pro-User

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But as it sounds to me you are an Pro-User. When a DE brings a graphical tool for an XF86Config file why not??? The new user uses the dialog you the file both will work.


i agree, as long as editing by hand will not be overridden by the GUI without being asked in the GUI, i'm not against such a solution as such

XF86Config is actually a special case:
it is once written and then it "simply works" on this hardware and an option in the GUI to mess with it is not a really good idea in my eyes ... and the best way for creating XF86Config for a hardware is to use the hardware detecting tool from knoppix :-) (it's the easiest and fastest way)
it is not advisable to make only a frontend for XF86Config and let the "new user" play around with it (not only because of the possible danger for destroying the monitor)
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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:19pm

XFree86

Hm look XF86/X-Server world is changing so we don't know what is coming in the future. I know that to find an right configuration for your graphic card is not easy and yes Knoppix is doing the best job there so first we should contact the X11 team to create a better configuration backend in the future and include in the "new" Controlcenter the Knoppix autoconfiguration tool :)

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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:30pm

Re: XFree86

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Hm look XF86/X-Server world is changing so we don't know what is coming in the future. I know that to find an right configuration for your graphic card is not easy and yes Knoppix is doing the best job there so first we should contact the X11 team to create a better configuration backend in the future and include in the "new" Controlcenter the Knoppix autoconfiguration tool :)


have a look at hwd
http://amlug.net/new-projects/hwd/hwd.html
it is developed for ArchLinux, but theoretically should work on every linux with a modern linux kernel and will generate the XFConfig file as if you boot knoppix
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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:37pm

I like the idea of having the configuration in one place............ :)

As for the problem of differing hardware and configurations, why not use the approach similar to how webmin works in some of the modules..............Take the Apache module for instance...............You can set certain parameters using a dialog box, but you also have the ability to view the whole configuration file in an internal editor.............That way you can use the dialog box to make changes, but you also can look at the configuration file itself and make any necessary changes directly to the file without having to hunt it down and fire up a separate editor................

Even though webmin is a web-based app, the same approach can be used for the KDE Control Center.............. :)
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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 8:50pm

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Original von thegeekster

I like the idea of having the configuration in one place............ :)

As for the problem of differing hardware and configurations, why not use the approach similar to how webmin works in some of the modules..............Take the Apache module for instance...............You can set certain parameters using a dialog box, but you also have the ability to view the whole configuration file in an internal editor.............That way you can use the dialog box to make changes, but you also can look at the configuration file itself and make any necessary changes directly to the file without having to hunt it down and fire up a separate editor................

Even though webmin is a web-based app, the same approach can be used for the KDE Control Center.............. :)


i really like this idea: let kwrite be the editor for the config files and this will be the perfect addon for the controlcenter :-)
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Thursday, July 15th 2004, 9:05pm

BTW - on the way

BTW its on the way:

KConfigEditor:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14270
http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kconfigeditor.php

KCfgCreator:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14364
http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kcfgcreator.php


But not for the KDE Controlcenter.

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Friday, July 16th 2004, 4:10am

Cool........ :mrgreen:
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Friday, July 16th 2004, 9:47am

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Original von thegeekster

I like the idea of having the configuration in one place............ :)

One place sounds ok, but one application doesn't.
KControl is already quite full, with almost only KDE options.
I'd rather go for a menu in KMenu, where all configuration centers are available something like

Configuration
|-> KDE Configuration (KControl)
|-> Hardware Configuration (KHardware)
|-> System Services (KDaemons)

(names other than KControl are purely phantasy :))

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Even though webmin is a web-based app, the same approach can be used for the KDE Control Center.............. :)


I think there is a KControl module that embeds a KHTML view to access webmin from KControl.

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Friday, July 16th 2004, 10:47am

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Original von anda_skoa


One place sounds ok, but one application doesn't.
KControl is already quite full, with almost only KDE options.
I'd rather go for a menu in KMenu, where all configuration centers are available something like

Configuration
|-> KDE Configuration (KControl)
|-> Hardware Configuration (KHardware)
|-> System Services (KDaemons)


And then there's the KDE information center.
Would it make sense to add it into the hierarchy?

Configuration
|...
|...
|...
Information
|-> Hardware Information (kinfocenter, pertinent modules)
|-> Service Information (kinfocenter, pertinent modules)
|-> Log files (providing easy access through a powerful logfile viewer)

OTOH, I've also once seen suggestions for separating admin options from user options. That would be a different approach.

User (mainly desktop stuff)
|->
Admin (anything that requires root privileges, hardware info, low level stuff)
|->

What do you think?

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Friday, July 16th 2004, 11:13am

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Original von cmbofh


OTOH, I've also once seen suggestions for separating admin options from user options. That would be a different approach.

User (mainly desktop stuff)
|->
Admin (anything that requires root privileges, hardware info, low level stuff)
|->

What do you think?

I like this as well.
There is already a System menu in KMenu, so perhaps KControl can stay in the main menu and KHardware/KDaemons/etc go to the System menu.

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Friday, July 16th 2004, 6:33pm

anda_skoa has a good point about adding to an over-crowded app like the Control Cener...............and splitting it up into two main centers, one for the normal user and another for the superuser is a great idea.........

I already do this by having two Control Centers in my Kmenu................The one normally installed into Kmenu, and then I've added another one which requires the root password to use.....................Works for me..... ;)
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Friday, July 16th 2004, 7:18pm

good ideas

Yeah the idea of anda_skoa is good.

Everybody should know that I mean the KDE Controlcenter in a new version should control your hardware because in another thread you can read that many users want to change something on the CC.

So the question is more a what-is-your-wish-in-the-future? and not a now!

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Tuesday, August 3rd 2004, 1:41am

Control Center. Keep it simple if you want to win users.
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Friday, December 10th 2004, 8:37am

I would love to see a KDE front-end to configure the hardware. While I'm fairly comfortable hand-editing some files and using low-level configuration tools, it would be much nicer to be able to do the same from within KDE.

A good example that already works is printer management. You can use the CUPS web interface, but the KDE printer manager is a lot nicer tool IMO.

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