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Sunday, December 12th 2004, 11:36am

[Kopete] Little Itches I saw

I noticed that Kopete has great powers in customizing users. I find this very important: two things keep people attended: FEATURES and CUSTOMIZEABILITY. Thats what Miranda made so great on Windows, or Winamp, or whatever.

GROUPS
However, I propose two things for group settings:
first: Show Offline Users per Group, not just globally.
Some users are even important if they're offline. Groups make really not very much sense without this option.
second: Allow sort of Group manually, not just alphabetical. This one is really annoying.
Implementation of this two things should be really easy.

PROTOCOLS
first: Make a null protocol part of standard.
second: reintegrate winpopup please. It was a working feature, why take it out? I am not able to compile CVS somehow, and no binary contains winpopup. Why take out somethink which is working?
third: concentrate some more on the ICQ/Oscar Protocol. Do you really want to switch people to MSN all the time? In german countries ICQ always was the biggest - because it was the first IM. File transfer really should be a goal, I know it isnt. This is skiddish. we have licq, miranda and many other open source clients, which implemented ICQ in a good way. it is not a secret how to do this.

I see a lot of potential in Kopete. But if (IF, I dont hope so) the designers intend to say: No we wont concentrate on this little things, or implement more protocols but only half the way to work, gaim will keep #1, licq #2 and I even prefer miranda over wine. there was a cool licq clone which looked promising once, sim. but instead of implementing the existing protocols working, they began to develop more and more protocols, all half-working, plugins unneeded, and so on. this is sad thing though.
I really like kopete because of little features, like giving users own icons, clean design and much room to read and write messages (not bloated with stuff).

mattr

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Sunday, February 6th 2005, 1:05am

RE: [Kopete] Little Itches I saw

The two items regarding groups should be filed as wishlist items on bugs.kde.org. Kopete's developers don't read any sort of forum too often and we have terrible memories

winpopup was disabled from default compilation because it's unmaintained and probably doesn't work anymore with samba 3. it also depends on a correct samba setup, which i imagine most users don't have.

there is already a null protocol, it's called testbed. it's the closest you'll get to a null protoocol. all it does is echoes the text you send back at you.

now, on to aim/icq/oscar, whatever you want to call it. i'm the only one that works on it, and i have a limited amount of time and several other things that i like hacking on. Basically, Kopete needs more developers, and not just for the oscar stuff. Nobody wants to help develop an IM application, they just want to use it. Even worse is that they expect it to work just as well as the windows equivalent with all the same features etc. Without more developers, this just isn't possible. We also can't just use the code from another app either, mostly due to the difference in languages between the various apps, and the readability of the source code as well. so, please, get involved, or if you can't get involved, get people you know to get involved. the only thing they have to be able to do is be willing to learn the protocol and spend the enormous amount of time it takes to grab packet dumps, read docs if they're available, and then code and test these features. Otherwise, we'll just stagnate where we are.
--Matt