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Saturday, April 28th 2007, 1:14pm

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KDE should not look like MS Windows. It's sad, but they are very similar


it's a bit like cars: you can try to make it completely different (e.g. use a joystick in stead of a wheel), but as long as the majority of users is used to a certain way of operating, that's not a smart idea to do.

I also noticed that some linux distribution configure KDE to make it behave like the Windows GUI.

I use KDE for 8 years now, with most of the default settings from back then. If I use XP for example, i notice that a lot of gui functions i'm used to using in KDE are not available in XP.

So at first kde may look and behave like XP, and as long as you don't explore the other features of kde, you can use it like XP, but once you look further you will notice that it is fare more comprehensive and advanced than Windows..
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Saturday, April 28th 2007, 1:15pm

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It would be great if KDE4 had a new open/savefile dialog!


New as in: improved, or different?

What kind of features are you missing that you would like to see in KDE4?
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Sunday, April 29th 2007, 10:33pm

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Originally posted by xTermOS
It would be great if KDE4 had a new open/savefile dialog!


New as in: improved, or different?

What kind of features are you missing that you would like to see in KDE4?


I think that open/savefile dialogs in Gnome and OS X are better then in KDE. The best way is to invent something revolutionary new ;). But if you have no ideas you should add a panel and place there buttons for each directory:
[ / ] [ home ] [ me ] [ current directory ]
file1
file2
file3
.........
However, the best things I like are new ideas and originality. If you like XP look and feel you can make 2 or 3 types of this dialog and let user to choose what he wants.

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Sunday, April 29th 2007, 10:45pm

Konsole

Can you make a directory tree at the left side of Konsole? If user will need it he'll be able to open it with one mouse click on the stripe at the left side of the window.

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Tuesday, May 29th 2007, 5:16pm

RE: What you want from KDE 4

I was crusing thorugh checking out this distro that is an xp look alike and look what they have to say about kde...
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Tuesday, May 29th 2007, 6:30pm

Excuse me please, but KDE3 truely sucks, and such guys as me overstrain their voice here trying to wash you stupid principles from you egoistical minds and save your ass.

P.S. You can delete this message, but you'll never be able to delete truth. If you'll not stop to copy Windows, oppress classic C, make slow programs and other KDE4 will croak and people will never remember you.

P.P.S. GNOME sucks too ;)

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Tuesday, May 29th 2007, 8:20pm

3D Effects

Being able to play from within KDE with some 3D basic effects such as shadow/transparency without modifying no config file AND without being forced to go through an over bloated GTK config app such as the Beryil manager (nice project like Compiz btw but both are in no way KDE friendly, they have been designed with Gnome in mind from start and the 'relative' workability on kde is just a bonus, those people don't give a shit about kde users).

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Wednesday, May 30th 2007, 4:42pm

I don't know if this was said or not but how about an interactive desktop.

No icons on the desktop. If ppl need them the have a switch for it.

Let everything have some sort of feedback to it. Like if you have some icons, you can throw them around the screen. Hopefully this doesn't clone the Beryl-Project.

Eye-candy is good because some ppl would get bord of looking at the same old thing day in and day out.

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Thursday, May 31st 2007, 12:33pm

How about an easy way to chose which applications I want to build, for example in kde-multimedia the only thing i want is kmix....

only kwquickshow from graphics etc....


theres far to many bundled applications, how about getting rid of some of it, and giving the choice to the user if they want a certain app or not ?

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Thursday, May 31st 2007, 5:42pm

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Originally posted by xTermOS
Excuse me please, but KDE3 truely sucks, and such guys as me overstrain their voice here trying to wash you stupid principles from you egoistical minds and save your ass.

P.S. You can delete this message, but you'll never be able to delete truth. If you'll not stop to copy Windows, oppress classic C, make slow programs and other KDE4 will croak and people will never remember you.

P.P.S. GNOME sucks too ;)


Why would anyone delete your post? It's entertaining to see some stupidity here and there. But maybe you want to provide some arguments next time?

By the way, did you know that Windows was not the first to use a windowing system? They copied it from MacOS.
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Sunday, June 3rd 2007, 2:42pm

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Originally posted by xTermOS
Excuse me please, but KDE3 truely sucks, and such guys as me overstrain their voice here trying to wash you stupid principles from you egoistical minds and save your ass.

P.S. You can delete this message, but you'll never be able to delete truth. If you'll not stop to copy Windows, oppress classic C, make slow programs and other KDE4 will croak and people will never remember you.

P.P.S. GNOME sucks too ;)


Why would anyone delete your post? It's entertaining to see some stupidity here and there. But maybe you want to provide some arguments next time?

By the way, did you know that Windows was not the first to use a windowing system? They copied it from MacOS.


At first, I haven't said anything about _windowing system_ . I talked about lots of little things from Windows look&feel which are not the best invention of humanity. For example Mac OS interface was disigned by psychologists (as I know) and is better than in Windows.
Than, I was thinking about my speach and... I came to a conclusion that the bad KDE3 is not your fault (because I really have no arguments ;)). The Source of Evil is Trolltech with it's Qt. [QT] It is (or was) slow, eats lots of memory, and wasn't handy. It's license _is_ awful and commercial companies prefer to use GTK because they don't want to pay Trolltech. See ActiveState Komodo (it asked me to install Cairo), Novell of course, http://www.gtk.org/success/ , and other. Gtk is completely free but Qt isn't much better.
And one of the main lacks of Qt is that it was written in C++. So It's impossible to link it with lots of languages. It works only with C++, Java and some script languages, whereas Gtk can be used everywhere.
So, what do you think about this?

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Monday, June 4th 2007, 6:11am

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Originally posted by xTermOS
At first, I haven't said anything about _windowing system_ . I talked about lots of little things from Windows look&feel which are not the best invention of humanity. For example Mac OS interface was disigned by psychologists (as I know) and is better than in Windows.


Wasn't MacOS the one that made you drag a CD-drive to the trash-bin to eject the CD? I'm just saying. ;)

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Than, I was thinking about my speach and... I came to a conclusion that the bad KDE3 is not your fault (because I really have no arguments ;)). The Source of Evil is Trolltech with it's Qt. [QT] It is (or was) slow, eats lots of memory, and wasn't handy. It's license _is_ awful and commercial companies prefer to use GTK because they don't want to pay Trolltech. See ActiveState Komodo (it asked me to install Cairo), Novell of course, http://www.gtk.org/success/ , and other. Gtk is completely free but Qt isn't much better.
And one of the main lacks of Qt is that it was written in C++. So It's impossible to link it with lots of languages. It works only with C++, Java and some script languages, whereas Gtk can be used everywhere.
So, what do you think about this?


Oh, I don't know. I sort of like Qt. Its dual license makes sure it can be used for both open source and commercial software. And using an Object Oriented language for a GUI-designing toolkit was not a bad move. A lot of it translates easily to OOP. And this makes it easier to write code with it. I find it very intuitive most of the time.

I'll be the first to admit that both C++ and Qt have their down-sides, though. Qt does have quite a lot of overhead (for example in their signals and slots system) partly because of the limitations of the language. But I can't imagine it being a lot better if C were used. Also, the Qt classes are so interdependent, it's hard to use any other library cooperatively. C++ is so limited Trolltech had to design an extensive pre-compiler to make things work.

Maybe GTK is better in that respect. I couldn't say, I haven't programmed with it yet. But I don't imagine it making very writable or maintainable code if it uses C.
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Wednesday, June 6th 2007, 5:51am

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Originally posted by xTermOS
KDE should not look like MS Windows. It's sad, but they are very similar


And perhaps windows shouldn't look like a Mac.

Who honestly cares what things look like, that is what themes are for. All I care about is performance, and a decent email client. Sigh, Windows new e-mail client looks nice, apple's previews of their new email client look nice. Thank god for the ease with opensuse of using evolution in kde.

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Saturday, June 9th 2007, 3:01am

If I may... (back to feature requests, maybe)

Could KDE have support for using two mice at once?
-The left-hand mouse could open up more buttons for various functions.
-We've all seen those videos of multi-touch screen interfaces (zooming, rotating, etc) -- this could allow us ordinary folks to have something similar.
-We all have an old mouse lying around doing nothing.

Nobody has to use it, but it seems like it would be useful for future use -- what if the next big thing uses two mice? KDE would be ready.

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Saturday, June 9th 2007, 4:52pm

I suspect that this is not something KDE can decide. I think it would have to be part of X11.

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And to xTermOS: Ok. So it has been ported to other programming languages. And do they all wrap around the C-code? That doesn't sound especially efficient to me. And if the original framework changes, I suppose all ports have to manually catch up?

My point is: I'm sure both Qt and GTK have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't think either is superior to the other. I do think KDE and Gnome are equally popular.
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Monday, June 11th 2007, 1:07am

back to brainstorming too

I'd really appreciate for KDE 4 :

- the ability to pause the copy/moving of a file, and perhaps the possibility to manage a list of files to copy/move, as Supercopier does
(http://www.clubic.com/telecharger-fiche1…upercopier.html
http://www.clubic.com/telecharger-fiche13443-total-copy.html)

- a native network activity indicator (like Knemo ?)

- making possible to use a gnome-style menu in order give no reason to gnome users to reject kde

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Monday, June 11th 2007, 9:35am

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- making possible to use a gnome-style menu in order give no reason to gnome users to reject kde


I that all Gnome has got going for it? :P What is a 'gnome-style' menu anyway? I suspect you can already make your KDE menu look like one.
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Monday, June 11th 2007, 10:46pm

I meant by a gnome-style menu a three parts menu with apps, system, and the third menu (I don't remember)
You're probably right when saying kde could be made like a gnome menu but I don't mind
I just like kde
Many gnome users say kde is a mess in its menu, that's why I said that

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Tuesday, June 12th 2007, 10:10pm

Okay, so this might already exist. If it does, I wish someone would tell me :)

What about the ability to "hide" one (or more) of the menu folders in the K-Menu? I can't figure out if it's currently possible. There are apps on my system that I might use once every three months or so, or apps that are just easier started from ALT+F2. So I don't want them in my K-Menu - but I don't want to permanently remove them from it, just hide them so I can switch them back on (visible) later if I chose to... Does that make sense?