You are not logged in.

jetman

Beginner

  • "jetman" started this thread

Posts: 8

Location: New York, NY

  • Send private message

1

Thursday, August 30th 2007, 6:09pm

Uniform Behavior from Konqueror

I love KDE 3..5.7 and while I'm a Windows developer (as my day-to-day profession), I choose to run Slax-6/KDE every day, to gradually become a power-KDE user. I have one beef w/ KDE/Konqueror, which I hope improves w/ the new system: more "uniform" URL support inside Konqueror. As Konqueror becomes more mature, it's my near-and-medium term hope that this tech will help migrate some Windows users twds KDE/Linux.

For example, I've customized my KDE config so that I have two extra tabs on the Konqueror Navigation pane, to track the 'smb:/' (LAN) and 'system:/media' (Media) nodes. They work well, but the System Menu applet for Kicker doesn't know anything about these tabs. Therefore, I can't simply choose one of these custom nodes from the System Menu applet and jump to the area/node I'm looking for. Actually, the System Menu applet should also account for the 'Root Folder' node, which I believe comes std w/ Konqueror, or at least should be configurable.

This also applies to the integrated Terminal Emulator in Konqueror. If one opens the Terminal when visiting the 'Root folder' node, changing directories in the Navigation pane are reflected in the Terminal. Not true, if visiting another a node like the Media node (ie. 'system:/media') or a network node (like smb:/<smb-name>).

Anyway, I use these wonderful custom features and hope they are more fully realized in the upcoming KDE-4.

PS: The KDE-4 developer's should also know that the KDE-Four-Live disc failed immed, crashing w/ a kernel panic, apparently bec my PC didn't have Linux partitions, so it failed almost immed after attempting to mount/create swap space.

I can only guess they never considered that most PCs aren't using native Linux partitions and neglected NTFS. BTW, NTFS partitions can host Linux swap files. I've been successfully using this facility (ie. FUSE kernel module+NTFS-3g) for many months.

Later....Jet

jucato

Trainee

Posts: 155

Location: Philippines

  • Send private message

2

Friday, August 31st 2007, 2:01am

RE: Uniform Behavior from Konqueror

Quite a lot of points, some of which don't have anything to do with Konqueror. But anyway:

Quoted

Originally posted by jetman
For example, I've customized my KDE config so that I have two extra tabs on the Konqueror Navigation pane, to track the 'smb:/' (LAN) and 'system:/media' (Media) nodes. They work well, but the System Menu applet for Kicker doesn't know anything about these tabs. Therefore, I can't simply choose one of these custom nodes from the System Menu applet and jump to the area/node I'm looking for.


You're right, the System Menu applet doesn't know for one simple reason. It's a System Menu applet for Kicker and has actually nothing to do with Konqueror except launch Konqueror with the indicated location. There is no correlation whatsoever between what you add in Konqueror and what shows up in the System menu applet.

Quoted

Actually, the System Menu applet should also account for the 'Root Folder' node, which I believe comes std w/ Konqueror, or at least should be configurable.


No to / (root) folder, but definitely should be configurable. One of my pet issues as well. Why no to root folder? Users shouldn't be bothered by Filesystem details unless they have to. Part of the whole UNIX setup is that non-administrative users shouldn't be able to touch anything outside of their /home. Of course nothing prevents them from seeing the whole filesystem if they want to. So the configurability of the applet definitely will be an advantage.

Quoted

This also applies to the integrated Terminal Emulator in Konqueror. If one opens the Terminal when visiting the 'Root folder' node, changing directories in the Navigation pane are reflected in the Terminal. Not true, if visiting another a node like the Media node (ie. 'system:/media') or a network node (like smb:/<smb-name>).


There is one problem. KDE/Konqueror is aware of these special URL's called kioslaves. But BASH, the command line interpreter or shell on most Linux system, isn't. In short, the command line doesn't know anything about KIO and wouldn't know how to properly behave. It's a feature that only works on KDE and in the GUI.

Quoted

PS: The KDE-4 developer's should also know that the KDE-Four-Live disc failed immed, crashing w/ a kernel panic, apparently bec my PC didn't have Linux partitions, so it failed almost immed after attempting to mount/create swap space.

I can only guess they never considered that most PCs aren't using native Linux partitions and neglected NTFS. BTW, NTFS partitions can host Linux swap files. I've been successfully using this facility (ie. FUSE kernel module+NTFS-3g) for many months.

Later....Jet


First, the KDE Four Live CD isn't made by KDE developers. It was prepared by a[/a] KDE Developer. It's not the official KDE 4 Live CD, because there isn't one. The KDE 4 Live CD was made by a KDE Developer who is also an openSUSE Developer, partly to demonstrate KDE 4 alpha/beta, and partly to demonstrate SUSE's Build Service. So if there are problems with the Live CD, please contact that developer. I'm sure he'd be interested to help.

Secondly, a Live CD has nothing to do with your hard drive, much less the filesystems on it. In fact, a Live CD doesn't care if you have a hard drive at all. It's more concerned if you have RAM, because that's where it dumps everything. When I first tried out Linux Live CDs, I didn't have any Linux partitions either. Everything was NTFS. So the kernel panic is most likely caused by something else. Hard disk filesystem has nothing to do with Live CD's, and KDE developers aren't the ones who made those CD's.
OS: Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) | KDE 3.5.3
Computer Specs: AMD Sempron 2200 1.5Ghz | VIA KM266 Pro 8235 chipset | nVidia GeForce MX 4000 128MB DDR-RAM 32-bit AGP 8x