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Indeed, I think we agree on that point - but this is not a problem with KDE 4 per se, this is a problem with it being "launched" in it's current state to the 'general public'. They have been premature about it, 4.1 *should* see KDE how it should be with all it's configurable glory and that should be KDE 4. Users should stick to KDE 3.5 and distro's aimed at the average desktop user should stay clear of giving the 4.0 option until 4.1 is released. Once all of the config' options etc are sorted KD...

Quoted Originally posted by Quantum It makes all the sense in the world that the configurability and usability is just not built in yet. But it will be. But I do not understand why Beryl of Fusion is not built in, or at least an option? Will it be? be?[/quote] I don't think it makes that much sense that it's not built in for the release at all (although premature inclusion is also wrong). I agree on release early, release often but this is not production and shouldn't be promoted as such, i.e. ...

Quoted Originally posted by cheexer Do the KDE 4.0 developers think ANY business is going to make a quantum jump in training and software to move from KDE 3.5 based apps and desktop to a KDE 4.0 based one? Of course they are not! What are they going to do? Why, they will move to Gnome, since virtually every commercial linux distro defaults to Gnome anyhow. Bottom line, due to the discontinuous jump from KDE 3.5 to 4.0, the KDE developers have managed to paint themselves into a corner. NO BUSINE...

Quoted Originally posted by mohamnag Quoted Originally posted by Michiel_H May I direct your attention to this article. Quoted I personally prefer VTech TV to a command line like system, time of using console is over! please consider it... I strongly disagree. For experienced linux users, the command-line is, for most tasks, much more powerful than any graphical interface. Come on, who is that exprienced linux user? I'm a 10 year windows developer. Although I have used dos and win 3.1 for a whi...

This is why defaults do matter even to systems like KDE. I don't personally think there is anything revoloutionary about the KDE 4 feautures, or great changes in useability (although the menu system has changed) just a few extra bits of UI sugar have appeared. I do like the integration of the desktop components into plasma. The initial look is not great and I would suggest it needs to change, certainly it needs to become more efficient on it's screen use. It doesn't need to be perfect but it nee...

I have to jump in and, although disappointed is a bit of a strong word it's not ready and I am not extolling it's virtues right now. It's the drop is user control between 3.x and 4 that seems to be my problem and not the environment itself, this appears to echo a lot of views. Giving back the user the control provided by previous releases will, I believe, lay rest to a most of the wave of negative comments. The lack of config' options though is such a blow it's not even release candidate. Provid...