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Saturday, January 12th 2008, 7:16am

First Impression Gripes!

First let me just say that I am a long time user and huge KDE fan. I think KDE is the most powerfull, flexible, intuitive desktop around and it is no easy task to be both powerfull and intuitive. Most of the power like split konqueror windows, profiles and attatched virtual terminals are tucked neatly away by default.

So why put a lame widget icon in the upper right hand corner of the desktop?
The first thing I did was right click on it to try to remove it from my desktop only to find the option wasn't there. Did the KDE mind reader retire?
I know widgets are the latest greatest apple fad, but only because the scrollable popup panel thingy doesn't provide a good home for widgets.
The highly configurable panels in 3.4 rock, please bring some of that functionality back (hiding, sliding, multiple panels that allow me to place things where I want them including the panels themselves. Most of the widgets are in my opinion more appropriat in panels like the clock, run command, logout, battery monitor etc.

As for the widgets, right clicking on my desktop gives me the ability to add widgets to my desktop, so why the static icon and how do I get rid of it.

As for the new menu, it will take some getting used to. Currently it feels much more cumbersome and less efficient than the old menu. Is it possible to choose between the two?

Also, I agree with some of the other post about the default theme. I prefer functional over shiny any day, but the theme manager is still there, so changing the icons etc I assume is as wonderful as ever.

These are just my first impressions. The desktop did seem very responsive, but compared to Windoze esp Vista, KDE 3.4 with Compiz/Beryl has always been super responsive.

I cant wait to check out the new koffice, kwebdev, kontact etc. All of which by the way are my apps of choice in their respective categories. Keep up the good work.
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Monday, January 14th 2008, 1:05am

RE: First Impression Gripes!

I've been using linux (various distros) + KDE for years... I'm a systems administrator, so just drop your idea that I'm a complete newbie.

I wish the developers would do us all a favor and put the Plasma in the "Toys" section under the kicker and return unto us the great and usable kdesktop with her mighty and customizable kicker application. Seriously, are they taking ideas from the Vista development team? Pretty is
great, but rock-solid and usable is better.

After booting off a live cd and testing a few things, I realized this version of KDE 4 is for the kids. I'll wait to see if they work more on putting the "Desktop" back in KDE... if not, I'm going to have to move to a better solution. Plasma is/was a silly idea. You cannot remove the 90% of a Desktop's functionality (try right-clicking and creating a new file in kde 4) and hope to please the masses. Might as well have remove half of the key-bindings for the keyboard... Plasma is trying (unsuccessfully) to re-invent a 20 year old standard way of doing things... It's lasted that long because it works... not because it's wrong.

And, developers, please quit taking ideas from Novell. The correct time to fix bugs is before the official release, not in service-pack 1.

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Monday, January 14th 2008, 3:00pm

RE: First Impression Gripes!

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As for the new menu, it will take some getting used to. Currently it feels much more cumbersome and less efficient than the old menu. Is it possible to choose between the two?


If you install the package extragear-plasma you get some more widgets. One of them is a traditional menu that if you drag directly from the widgets menu to your panel will install a more traditional KMenu on your panel. You can then right click the old one and "remove" it.

This gives you a nice menu again. :)

Kev

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Monday, January 14th 2008, 5:13pm

Thanks Kevl

Thank you, this fixes one of my gripes.
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Monday, January 14th 2008, 6:08pm

Yeah, nice tip. Where did you get the info from?
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Tuesday, January 15th 2008, 3:01pm

I dual boot.
I am not a linux guru.
I use Kubuntu.
My son has vista on his laptop.................I despise it.
I installed KDE4 a couple of days ago and have found it to be frustratingly like vista.
I can't change wallpaper. Gives some kind of BS error about "orphaned module" or something along those lines.
Do I need to remove KDE4 and wait on R1 to come out?

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Tuesday, January 15th 2008, 8:33pm

www.kubuntuforums.net It's a VERY helpful forum.

:)

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