Is just me or KDE is going a-la-Windows & sluggish?

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Saturday, January 13th 2007, 7:55pm

One thing is sure: KDE (3.5.1 in SLED 10) is very slow in several aspects, beginning with boot time, then starting KDE applications supposed to be optimized for this desktop. For example, inserting a music CD prompts KDE to open KsCD player but it takes like one minute. Compare this to Grip which almost instantly finds out the identity of the CD, not to mention that it loads quickly and can play the disk immediately. I also noticed that Konqueror is kind of slower than a previous KDE version (3.x). Something even much more serious is that memory and CPU resources are being sequestered by KDE processes. One of them is Kerry Beagle, which Iam forced to inactivate. another is X, and several others. The thing is from nearly 1GB of RAM memory, usually it is taken like 60-90 % of it at any moment, while computer is idle!

And worst of all, is that KDE developers seem to take WIndows XP as a model to equal or match in terms of aspect and functionalities. I'm sure there will be someone who will try to flame me. But I believe that a lot of people shares my opinion. If KDE wants to look like Windows, why then use Linux in the first place? "Linux is not Windows" we read in the web. Absolutely true. So then, If KDE developers want to stand better than Gnome and Windows, they should stop trying to emulate or imitate parts of that proprietary OS. I dont agree that trying to atract Windows users to Linux and making them feel like they are still using Windows is good. With KDE 4.0 approaching, they are concentrating in the Eye Candy Factor when there are more important issues, and responsiveness and rapidity and efficiency of using ressources is what really matters. I propose to the forum to make a vote poll asking KDE users what they expect most in KDE 4 :beauty or functionality, a-la windows or something out-of-this-planet. I hope people will post rational messages in this thread. We all want KDE to stand high.

Maxei DeVraie

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Maxei

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Saturday, January 13th 2007, 10:53pm

how to collect useful information from users to developers

I know there is one thread in this forum which asks what you want from KDE by Skyfire. But the question is: How and who can make sense from all that jungle of words and wishes? lets admit it: no developer is going to spend their time weeding out the gold from the garbage in that thread. It is more or less an irrelevant collection of useless wishes calling to the empty ocean.

I propose to the KDE forum (hello administrators!) to put a sticky thread in which people will choose one or more options presented as a list, which they want to see in KDE 4. So, by selecting and casting their vote it will then the pool of results be automatically displayed as a percentage, so developers and common users will know what really matters for that population of users.

How does a developer think like or decides what is important and what is not? A developer may have a unique way of thinking, but not necessarily his/her ideas will be compatible with the needs of a users' group. So I think developers should receive feedback from we, users, more often but in a usefull, simple and organized way. that is the idea.

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Rinse

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Saturday, January 13th 2007, 11:15pm

KDE 3.5 should be a lot faster then previous versions.

Apperently it is not on your system.
I blame Beagle for that.
Beagle is a desktop search engine that is indexing your computersystem after the first installation.
This takes quite a lot of time and makes your computer respond very slow.
Kerry is a kde frontend of beagle.

Keep in mind that both kerry and beagle are not part of KDE: Kerry is added to KDE bij SUSE on SLED and openSUSE 10.x and beagle is a gnome-project for desktop search.

Your rant about KDE VS XP: I can't make head or tail of that.
But I can ensure you: kde is not trying to be a XP Clone.
That is what kde bashers are making of it.

About kde4: what eye candy are you talking about? The development of kde4 concentrates mostly on porting the whole stuff to Qt4, optimizing stuff, lots of cleaning, making kde smaller, leaner and faster then previous version.
At the moment kde4 is about 30-40% faster then previous versions.

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Saturday, January 13th 2007, 11:34pm

RE: how to collect useful information from users to developers

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Originally posted by Maxei
I know there is one thread in this forum which asks what you want from KDE by Skyfire. But the question is: How and who can make sense from all that jungle of words and wishes? lets admit it: no developer is going to spend their time weeding out the gold from the garbage in that thread. It is more or less an irrelevant collection of useless wishes calling to the empty ocean.

keep in mind that this is a user forum, not a developer forum (and afaik not an official kde site at all).
So don't expect that whishes and suggestions made on this forum will ever make it to the developers of kde.
They might, but there is no guarantee at all.

If you have any wishes for kde, you can file them at http://bugs.kde.org

Regards, Rinse

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 2:53am

Hello! I have seen screen shots of KDE applications for the next version. I was stunned by seeing essentially the same apps. but refurbished; for example, in KSysGuard they are making transparent graphics instead of the opaque as now. They are really nice. Also imagine! they have rendered Majong game soooo beautiful, I admit, and is easier to distinguish the plates and you can see them in truly 3D! That's nice but this is my point: developers are spending their time in cosmetics. What about of Kerry Beagle? and other applications? Of course is not KDE but they run under KDE and they are not therefore well integrated because KDE developers are spending their time doing face-lifting surgery. The problem of resources and functionality stays there.

I really believe that developers are lost sometimes. Poor guys, they work so hard and look at me ranting? Dear people, I am the first to admire the work of these fellas, but I say that an artist and a scientist and a politician always need guidance. So this is the point.

Now, Rinse says it is useless to write things here because it is not a developers forum. I know that. But it amounts to say that whatever you write here is irrelevant, so the forum, what is it for? I propose to present the opinion of users in a simplified and organized and clear form. Then this information can be forwarded to a forum for developers or a similar way. I believe that Forums are to express oneself and to be useful to the community. right?

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 12:52pm

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Originally posted by Maxei
Hello! I have seen screen shots of KDE applications for the next version. I was stunned by seeing essentially the same apps. but refurbished

What did you expect: all >1000 applications of kde-apps.org thrown away and we start from scratch?

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; for example, in KSysGuard they are making transparent graphics instead of the opaque as now. They are really nice. Also imagine! they have rendered Majong game soooo beautiful, I admit, and is easier to distinguish the plates and you can see them in truly 3D! That's nice but this is my point: developers are spending their time in cosmetics.

After more then a year of development, kde can finally show screenshots with actually changes to the interface.
And now you blame them for doing that?
Do you really think that a transparent ksysguard and new tiles in majongg is the only thing kde developers have done during that time?

And besides that, if you know a way to make screenshots of the new framework of KDE, I would be happy to provide them for you.
Or perhaps KDE should post screenshots with code comparisation to show the difference between code in kde3 and kde4..

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What about of Kerry Beagle? and other applications? Of course is not KDE but they run under KDE and they are not therefore well integrated because KDE developers are spending their time doing face-lifting surgery.

kerry is nog part of kde, so integration of kerry is not in the hands of kde.
It's in the hands of Novell, who develops kerry.
Having that said, i don't know where you got the idea that kerry is not well integrated in the SUSE desktop. It integrates fine overhere in openSUSE 10.2

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Dear people, I am the first to admire the work of these fellas, but I say that an artist and a scientist and a politician always need guidance. So this is the point.

making rants without having any clue what you are talking about does not help kde in any way.

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Now, Rinse says it is useless to write things here because it is not a developers forum.

Yep, i solve user questions on about 8 user forums like this one, all of them are no official kde sites.
I have time for that, since i'm no developer. But you can't expect from kde developers that they spent lots of time on fore like this one, looking for users ranting about cosmetic changes to kde..

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But it amounts to say that whatever you write here is irrelevant, so the forum, what is it for?

Forums like this one are meant for users of the same software, helping each other and discussing with each other about that software.

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I propose to present the opinion of users in a simplified and organized and clear form. Then this information can be forwarded to a forum for developers or a similar way.

Yep, that's the way it should be done.
But please, let it be someone who knows about the progress of kde4, not john doe who saw 4 screenshots on the dot and thinks that is the only thing KDE is doing at the moment.
Don't expect to be taken seriously by the developer community if you have no idea what youre talking about and are ranting about nothing.

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I believe that Forums are to express oneself and to be useful to the community. right?

Ranting about stuff you don't know about is not helping the community.

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 5:43pm

Hello! People have read Rinse's point of view and I thank him. I stand for what I say and will not argue with Rinse nor respond because there is no point. He has his view and that's it. I have mine and not going to change it.
I expected something like that. But I also expect to be able to work out this idea with constructive people who thinks like me. So, if someone is interested, lets try it. But nothing will come out if admins do not want to cooperate.

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Rinse

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 6:02pm

I have seen no posting in this thread of the admins, so dunno if they want to cooperate

But back to your issue: as i pointed out to you, the fact that kde appears slow and sluggish on you computer is not because kde is bloated, but because novell suse is.

If you get rid of some of that (not to kde related) bloat in novell suse, you will get a better view of how fast or slow kde really is.

If you can't get kde any faster on suse then what you have now, i suggest to use a distribution that is faster then suse.

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Wednesday, January 24th 2007, 4:05pm

about the idea for letting users pick and choose enhancements, this is implemented in bugzilla on bugs.kde.org, and these forums are first and foremost meant to give user support, not for feature requests. imho the admin's should remove this whole section, as feature requests won't be read by anyone but us, mere other users trying to help out, without power to change things in KDE...

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Friday, January 26th 2007, 8:01pm

Hi !
Maxei ! KDE is "just" a desktop manager ! isn't an OS ! So , if you don't like how it looks and work KDE , you can use another D.M. in your linuxbox ! And yes ! KDE can run slowly but only in old boxes ... OH ! and SuSe .... it's a huge distro and it run so slow... Sometime in the past ( suse 9) I lost an entire morning to install it and then, after 20 minutes , when I saw how slow it boot and works, I erased it from hd and , after 30 min my loved Vector (with KDE) flew ... anyway...
KDE is a free project ! A GREAT PROJECT ! you can involve in it to help makin sugestions , not complaines ! and the sugestion that the coders teem make nothiing then some 3d , transparency and eyecandy stuff is hilarious ! I'm not an hacker but IMHO, the Grafical Interface is just 10% 20% in a software job ...
oh ! by the way ! in my winXPbox ( yes! I have one

) I changed the shell to look like KDE

God save the Quip ! :tongue:

my art at www.danielchiriac.com

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Friday, January 26th 2007, 11:51pm

KDE is Great !

Windows sucks, I jsut came from it After experiencing some Vista horrors, Linux is my choice.

I like KDE more than Gnome because it is well designed and lots of good programs out of the box for productivity.

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