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Tuesday, June 28th 2005, 12:30am

Installing Linux along with Windows XP.

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, so I'm sorry if:
1) This question already been asked before.
2) This is actually wrong forum.
3) This forum for very much savvy Linux users who get offended by such questions.

My question is below.
I'm very much basic Linux user (using KDE at work). I'd like to install Linux at home on my PC that is running Windows XP.
I have one HD - C: drive.
I'm actually looking for guidelines, if there are any enthusiasts here, who can help me and guide me on installation process.
Perhaps if you in CA we can even meet and do the installation together.
I'm not looking for the urls with some gibberish that is understood only by hardcore Linux developers (one of my PCs already gone due to the reason I couldn't proceed and I had nobody to ask).

All the responses are welcome and again I'm sorry if I've offended someone by this question.

Have a Great Day/Evening/Night!
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Tuesday, June 28th 2005, 12:53am

RE: Installing Linux along with Windows XP.

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2) This is actually wrong forum.

Better try http://www.linuxquestions.org

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I'm very much basic Linux user (using KDE at work). I'd like to install Linux at home on my PC that is running Windows XP.
I have one HD - C: drive.

Well... First of all you will have to repartition your hard drive --- you need one partition ("drive") for windows and two for Linux (one big for the system and a small one for swap). I'm not sure if you can shrink the windows partition to make space for new ones, but you could ask google.

Then you must choose the Linux distribution you are going to install. Since you are new to Linux, I recommend Mandriva (although I don't use it).

If you will have to remove windows in order to create partitions for Linux, install it first, then Linux. When you get Linux working, you must setup the boot loader (either lilo or grub) to be able to boot windows too. Personally I use lilo and it works well with windows on my laptop.

The exact procedure you should be able to find in your distribution's manual or you will have to ask on fora that are focused on Linux distribution of your choice.

BTW. Remember that if you reinstall windows, it will overwrite master boot record on your disk and Linux won't boot anymore. In such situation you need to boot Linux from some CD, chroot into your Linux partition and rerun lilo/grub.

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Tuesday, June 28th 2005, 1:02am

Thanks a lot Jacek!

I already went to another forum that you have mentioned.
I'm about to post my question over there.

Pretty much afraid on formatting and re-formatting my hd by myself, this is why I'd like to find some instructions for "dummies" or someone who is interesting in doing the installation together (no idea for what reason, maybe someone else a bit more experienced then me want to try it as well)

Thanks again!
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Tuesday, June 28th 2005, 1:09am

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Pretty much afraid on formatting and re-formatting my hd by myself

The worst thing that may happen is that you will loose all data from windows partition, so just do make backup earlier.

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Tuesday, June 28th 2005, 1:23am

Jacek,

Thank you!
This is not what scares me. I'm planning to have all my important files backed up by burning them on CDs.

I'm actually afraid that if I'm stuck in the process, I have no way to contact someone as I do not have Internet.

But now as I see some friendly savvy people around here, I'm thinking of perhaps getting 2nd PC, so one I'll have up & running and if I have some concerns or doubts I can just post then on such forum.

Thank you very much!
Andrew

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Wednesday, June 29th 2005, 12:22am

People may think this is kinda cheesy, but when I first wanted to try a new OS, I got a second hard drive. I removed my working hard drive from the IDE cable and replaced it with the new drive, that way I *couldn't* ruin what I already had going.

-- Good Luck

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Wednesday, July 6th 2005, 5:23pm

Hi Guys,

Thank you for your support!
Well - I went with the safest (?) option and purchased a new Seagate HD.
I've went through the whole new ordeal installing it:). Why all the manuals or User guides written for Albert Einstein type of people?
I have also installed Red Hat 9.0 (from the third time:).
Myself with no help!!! (And I'm not savvy at all!). I found some issues during the 1st phase of install - Anaconda just hang and this was it. Well - I found work around and actually logged bug for Red Hat. I provided workaround in the bug - hope it will help someone if has the same issue.
Here is my situation now.
I have RH 9.0 installed and I have 2 books - one is huge (Secrets of Red Hat 9) and another small (Moving to Linux). In both just a bit and almost nothing said about how to connect to Internet. Mostly it says everything shall be detected automatically during the install and you are ready to go. And if it is not ready to go? I mean I’m very new to Linux, so here are my questions - PLEASE ADVISE:
1) where do I find the way how I need to establish/setup my Internet connection?
My Win XP on the original drive does has it - I use cable modem.

2) During the install phase I selected password for a GRUB, but it actually doesn't prompt for password at all. How do I setup this?

3) When GRUB menu comes up it lists Windows XP (default), Linux and DOS.
- What is DOS, I mean I know it is an old OS, but is it real; can I actually select and use it? Or is just a reference to the inial partition of my original HD where Win XP resides?
- Also if I do not select anything - Windows XP will launch automatically - and it is really just few seconds. So where can I increase the time for GRUB selection or make it wait until I do select something?

4) When I've installed Linux on the 2nd HD, I have feeling that when I launch Win XP from the GRUB it takes more time as usual (before I've installed new HD and Linux on it). Any idea why? I'm sure if I'll remove new HD - the system will start working faster as it used to be.

5) When I select Linux from GRUB, it starts showing all the messages (like it takes about a minute or so). Message with the entire OK in the end of statement. Is this a mandatory or is it normal. Nothing mentioned in the books I have about this.
It looks like:
Bla-Bla-Bla device OK
Bla-Bla-Bla device OK

Is there any way to remove this text from appearing?

Thank you very much for your help and support!
I really would appreciate if you can point me out to some documentation where I can find out to my answers or if you can explain by yourself in details.
I listed my questions in the priority order, so as you see - Internet is # 1 for me, however I do like to get the feedback on other doubts I have as well.

Thanks again!
Andrew

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Wednesday, July 6th 2005, 5:51pm

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1) where do I find the way how I need to establish/setup my Internet connection?

How do you connect your computer to that modem? Through Ethernet? USB?

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2) During the install phase I selected password for a GRUB, but it actually doesn't prompt for password at all. How do I setup this?

I don't use grub, but AFAIR it will prompt you for that password when you will try to change its configuration.

You should find a forum focused on Red Hat, this way you will get answers quicker, since this forum is focused only on KDE related issues.

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Wednesday, July 6th 2005, 11:08pm

Hi jacek,

Well, I have a cable modem that is actually an extension from the cable TV.
It is connected to the ethernet card I belive in my PC.

I think the issue is that all these settings like IP addres, proxies etc. and not configured.
I also would like to know if my card has been recognized by Linux, but not sure what command to use.

I think what I'll do is copy all the settings for Internet on my original HD with XP and apply the same on Linux and will try - perhaps it will work..

Thank you for you feedback!
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Thursday, July 7th 2005, 9:28am

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Well, I have a cable modem that is actually an extension from the cable TV.
It is connected to the ethernet card I belive in my PC.


That should be an easy setup.
Uusually you just have to tell Linux to get the parameters by DHCP.
This will set the IP address, routes and DNS nameservers.

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Thursday, July 7th 2005, 6:03pm

Hi Anda_skoa,

I went and started trying to configure my network (internet) connection yesterday.
I think I found the issue - my Ethernet card is not detected, or better to say not supported by Linux. It is just my guess. I checked in the big book of Secret of Linux, there is a list of Ethernet cards supported by Linux and also couldn't find my.
I have: Network Adapter = Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller and I didn't find it in the list of Ethernet cards. And RH also said so - something like: "Failed to find the ethernet card...".

So what do I do in this case? This card is working perfectly fine with my 1st HD (Windows XP)...

Thanks!
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Sunday, July 10th 2005, 4:12pm

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I have: Network Adapter = Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller and I didn't find it in the list of Ethernet cards.


From what I understand from googling, the appropriate kernel module is called bcm4100

It could be that it is not part of your kernel version yet and might be needed to installed.

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Sunday, July 10th 2005, 8:38pm

Hi Guys,

Thanks a lot - you didn't forget me.

Due to the technical (family:) staff - I didn't get a chance to:
1) Buy another unexpensive PC.
2) Install FC 4/3.

However I got a chance to experiment with my RH. For example:
Success stories: :) :Pengy:
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a) Somehow I always thought that I'm working from KDE, naa - turned out I was using GNOME. So I learned to switch to KDE -> and it is much better!!!
b) I configured my printer and now it works (at least I succeed in this)!
c) I created new users and feel much comfortable about this.

:scratch: Failures:) :study:
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A) Somehow my KDE doesnt have Kpackage. Well, I said - it is even better - I'll learn to install the drivers using the Terminal:)
I've tried both methods - rpm and tar and failed in both:mad:
With tar it said: "Makefile: 18: ***Linux Kernel source tree not found. Stop". I'm getting this after I ran make .
With rmp, it just failed to run it properly, there were couple of errors, after rpmbuild -bb
The worse part of this it was a driver that you guys helped me to found for my Broadcom Ethernet adaptor...and I had high hopes, that after I'll install it - I'll have my window to the outer world be opened...:(
Driver's name is bcm4400 - I found it on the Broadcom website...

B) I also found that my sound card is not recognized properly, but it bothers me less, as I'm not much into music etc.
Both books I have (I have no idea what they think when they write those books) are written like everything is going perfect - no errors, no exceptions...
:mad: => Especially secrets of Linux...

Thanks again guys!
Have a Great Weekend!
Andrew

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Sunday, July 10th 2005, 9:01pm

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"Makefile: 18: ***Linux Kernel source tree not found. Stop".

Try installing package called kernel-source (or similar).