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Dolphin? You *like* it? Whatever for? Every time I use it, I curse it, as when compared to Konq, it is a crippled piece of steaming junk.

Try this: view a group of files. Now sort 'em - by type. Oops, can't do that.

Okay, well, we can do it anyways, just like Konq: just change what we're looking at in the address bar. Excuse? Address bar? Ah, right - such a useful thing must be hidden away. Fine, enable it. Now enter /home/user/*key* to see all the files with "key" in their name, just like Konq does. Oh, whoops, no, dolphin can't do that.

How about a nice, useful, tabbed interface, like Konq has? Dolphin seems to be incapable of this, preferring a "split" view, which wouldn't be so bad, except when I used this mode, I happened to have a mess of files where the fist N characters of the names matched, meaning I couldn't tell which file was which - and Doplh wouldn't even let me adjust the width of the filename column to do so.

No, Dolphin is a steaming, festering, worthless piece of garbage with no justification for its existence. Konq, on the other hand, is a massively useful, powerful, flexible yet easy program which actually lets one *use* it, rather than preventing one actually getting anything done.

All hail Konqueror may it live up to its name and demolish that worthless piece of junk pretended to the throne.

All opinions mine, of course, and your mileage may vary - let's just say I don't really care for Dolphin. In much the same way I don't really care for amoebic dysentery.

I'm mostly fine with Dolphin as long as I don't have to use it.

I hope there will be several options for the default file manager:
- Dolphin
- Konqueror kde3-style
- Konqueror with Dolphin embedded (replace the current konq file browser embedded thingy)

Yeah, kinda the point. I note that in a default KUbuntu install, for example, when you click the system menu and choose a folder - home, for example - you get dolphin. Sorry, no, I don't want dolphin, I want something that *works*.

Granted, if you uninstall dolphin, the system menu goes back to konq, and that is a nice feature, but there's a nasty little hint that the direction this is moving in is towards using dolphin rather than konq for file management. That is a *bad* idea, at least until dolphin becomes remotely as usable as konq, which is nowhere near the case now.

Defaulting to a half-functional bit of crippleware like dolphin, rather than a really useful tool like konq, just strikes me as a bad idea. Maybe this is an Ubuntu thing, rather than a KDE thing, but I do see a lot of noise from KDE along the lines of "look at the new file manager". I have looked. It's junk.

Yes, definitely, more options is better than fewer and I wouldn't want to suggest dolphin simply be killed; just that it not become the default tool unless and until it is actually as good as what it's replacing.

I am willing to give Dolphin some time to see how it develops, but I already do not like the clunky, limited interface. Dolphin's the default in Debian too.

Konqi is just the best there is, in any OS.

Indeed; I haven't seen commercial file managers which do half the stuff konq does. It is one of the best designed, best functioning programs I have ever encountered anywhere. Switching from it to dolphin is about on a par with switching from LGX to Windows 3; there may be some simplification as a result, but is that sufficient reason to do this?

If dolphin is to become the default, I have no issue with this *as long as it can be replaced with konq* by those - myself included - who just can't stand the limited functionality offered by dolphin. My concern is that as dolphin becomes the norm, it will also become effectively impossible to switch out.

The example of the system menu comes to mind. As it stands now, I can simply remove dolphin - nothing depends on it - and the system menu automagically switches back to konq. What happens when dolphin does become a dependency, though? Presumably I won't be able to remove it, but then where does one override the default tool used by the system menu et al?

Yes, there's presumably a config file option somewhere, or an entry can be added to "default application" to specify file manager, as you can currently specify web browser and the like... as long as there's a simple and effective way to switch back to something useful, fine. I just worry that the inexplicable enthusiasm for dolphin may lead to it _not_ being replaceable, which would be a most bad thing.

This sounds like a concern borne out of past experience with Winduhs.

I've used Linux exclusively for ten years, and I can't think of any cases of this happening. What does happen occasionally is an app's developer will stop supporting it and it gradually fades into breakage.

But with the following that Konqi has, I don't see an end.

For the past six months I've been using OS X, and its limitations, lack of depth, and hyper-simplification is driving me nuts. I am about to wipe OS X and reinstall Debian.

okay, this may be just because i'm a very visual person, but i love dolphin. I've never been huge on konqueror as a file manager, but that's just me. I actually was running gnome for awhile just for nautilus. i've reinstalled kde4 after buggy 4.0.0 mainly because of dolphin. it's by no means perfect, i mean the icon is a cube, a cube with drawer fronts, yes, but still a cube. seriously though, it takes longer on my machine to load up than i'd like, and i'd like it if it stayed in column mode, until it reached the final folder in the tree and then knew i'd prefer icon mode every time, but i believe plugins, or extensions could take care of that kind of thing. Nobody is saying anyone can't use konqueror, and most feature and or workflow annoyances could probably be solved by a plugin or extension system. I really appreciate what Mr. Seigo has done here, if only for me, and other visually-minded simpletons like me; and suggest that if not already in the works a plugin system would be awesome. Again, an attitude of KONQUEROR ROCKS AND DOLPHIN SUCKS BECAUSE I CAN'T DO STUFF, doesn't really progress anything. What are your main workflow issues? Are you sure that some reluctance doesn't come from the fact that the interface is simply different? What are really useful features, that would make a better file manager for everyone, including noobs? And finally, i do understand the validity of , "i simply prefer konqueror."

I have not used Dolphin and not sure if I will.
Does it support ftp or sftp?

Quoted from "KDE-user"

KDE 4 allows to change the settings of the default file manager:
Main Menu > Favorites > System Settings > Advance Tab > File Associations > inode (expand)

I changed the settings in KDE3, but I don't seem to be able to get the KDE4 System Settings thing:

* Does it install by default, or do I have to find the package and install it (Kubuntu 8.04 w/KDE4 installed)
* Your method makes reference to the 'Favourites' bit of the menu, but where would it normally be, assuming it's installed?

Quoted from "KDE-user"

It is good to live in a free world. I will start complaining when KDE forces me to use something that I do not like .

KDE 4 allows to change the settings of the default file manager:
Main Menu > Favorites > System Settings > Advance Tab > File Associations > inode (expand)

On "directory": set to Konqueror , remove Dolphin
On "directory-lock" set to Konqueror , remove Dolphin

Then, go to KDE Menu Editor and add Konqueror in the System Menu as a file manager application .

(If it does not work, use synaptic and remove Dolphin. )

I am happy again! Freedom is the keyword.

That's all well and good, but I still can't find a decent filterbar function in Konqueror 4, and I have looked and looked and looked, and installed the konq plugins, and looked and looked and looked. Konqueror used to have a filterbar. They did put a filterbar in Dolphin. So, while I may not be forced to use Dolphin, it feels like I am being ... coerced? manipulated? Compelled? Unless I want to do a tedious visual search, I have to click on the "open in Dolphin" button. It looks like they're doing a Tonya Harding number on Konqueror, a deliberate crippling to push Dolphin. It's hard to believe that KDE would intentionally sabatoge a beloved application, and I am not saying that is what has happened... but what I AM saying is that is exactly what it LOOKS LIKE. Something essential has been removed, and passed to another application.

All of my frenzied, crazy letter writing began when I first started being unable to find the filter bar in Konqueror. If you want to stop my insane plan to fork Konqueror into a new browser called "Liberator", restoring the filter bar ought to do it. Believe me, we don't need the aggravation. I'll never actually accomplish anything, but I'LL NEVER stop complaining. Somebody stop me before I whine again.